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jmathai 25 minutes ago [-]
I imagine there's a lot of mixed emotions at Nvidia. Jensen seemed to have a very likable persona about him and he truly was a great CEO of the company. I imagine many looked up to him and are left to make sense of the past week.
They've also taken a pretty big pay cut this week and potentially into the future.
hn_submit 10 minutes ago [-]
I guess many nVidia employees feel they'll be soon out of a job without him at the helm. Most don't care about his extramarital affairs.
At least the more women that appears the less any single one of them can feel guilty of shareholder value destruction. At the beginning it was all on the shoulders of Alice, the poor girl, hundreds and hundreds of billions of guilt, now it must be on double digits already, way more manageable.
consensus1 16 minutes ago [-]
At least one. Honeypots aren't in it for that.
16bitvoid 7 minutes ago [-]
I think that was the joke, since there were three affairs, two of them being employees.
ocd 7 minutes ago [-]
Getting whiplash from people caring or being angry about one of two sides on the issue of the current administration's party on social vs. geopolitical and economic, and this with Jensen on whether people are angry about his sexual affairs or the economic and geopolitical issues of NVIDIA in relation to China if this was happening with a spy.
Confused on whether people are actually upset about both or even understand the issue, or are just upset about one thing while using the other as ammunition.
nonethewiser 3 minutes ago [-]
Some people are just happy to see Jensen and NVIDIA suffer.
Its not the only way to support his ousting. But its one way.
soundworlds 9 minutes ago [-]
> "We are all humans and can make mistakes. Jensen did so many good things and he needs a second chance,” wrote another.
I think if it was one affair, this would hold. It is allegedly 3 and counting, and includes a likely spy from a rival nation, and likely knowledge of selling to the rival nation despite the current laws.
You can think he is amazing at many parts of this job, but at this point it is less of a mistake, and more a pattern of behavior that he knew was hugely risky and decided to cover up.
This is a terrible time for Nvidia employees. But the solution is not to invite the cause of the terrible time back in.
keithnz 2 minutes ago [-]
do we really care that much about affairs? It's highly likely you are interacting with a bunch of people who are having affairs, its likely quite a few CEOs are, only difference is you don't know about it. As far as I can tell there is no terrible times happening other than the current news cycle having found a sensational news piece.
afavour 7 minutes ago [-]
A lot of people became millionaires during his tenure, suppose it’s not surprising that brings a lot of loyalty. Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the right move for the company though.
comrade1234 8 minutes ago [-]
It makes sense. They're probably having to deal with higher level bosses proposing them all the time so it's just the cultural norm at the company.
ex-aws-dude 10 minutes ago [-]
My main takeaway is how HNers seem to decide what they want to believe, then work backwards from it to form a justification
You could have the exact same situation with a different company/CEO and the HN comments would be completely different
flowerlad 18 minutes ago [-]
At the end of the day he hasn't been accused of harassment. The two employees he banged didn't complain that he pressured them into banging him. It is still wrong to bang your employees, and there should be penalties for that. But can't he be punished in a way that doesn't also punish the industry, the economy and US competitiveness?
godwinson__4-8 11 minutes ago [-]
Can you grow up?
He isn't being punished for "banging" anyone he's being punished because it hurts "US competitiveness" to send chips to China via the export smuggling operation that spy he was "banging" operates. It would not surprise anyone to found out he broke several federal laws. That's the point, no one actually cares about his sex life.
The guy was smuggling material deemed by US law to have export controls for national security reasons to the very country "US competitiveness" has been hyperventilating about for over a decade now. Resigning is the least of his concerns he will have to worry about being prosecuted for years to come.
flowerlad 7 minutes ago [-]
The US export control is meaningless in this instance. See here:
“In facilities across the region, Megaspeed rents Nvidia chips to Chinese tech giants such as Alibaba, an arrangement that does not violate current US export control regulations.”
If Alibaba is allowed to remotely access Nvidia hardware physically located in Singapore, what purpose does the export control serve?
Also, it has not been established that any export control laws have been violated.
netheril96 4 minutes ago [-]
> Also, it has not been established that any export control laws have been violated.
The board and Jensen himself probably don't want to test that in court, so they preemptively step down so the prosecutors would rather not pursue.
consensus1 15 minutes ago [-]
The problem is the sketchy sales to China, not the mistresses (or at least not the non spy ones).
flowerlad 12 minutes ago [-]
Yes, and the US government should investigate that and make a determination as to whether export control laws were violated and how serious the violation was. That hasn't happened yet.
hobom 2 minutes ago [-]
Yes they should, but this does not preclude the board and the public from concluding based on the available information that his judgement in this area seemed extremely poor, even if it may not end up illegal. It sure doesn't look like a situation where people are surprised that Alice Huang was a spy ...
I wish the employees well but there's blood in the water and the sharks are circling. NVIDIA is one hell of a whalefall and there's lots of hungry scavengers out there.
01100011 6 minutes ago [-]
Sure, but how does this relate to the post?
northisup 5 minutes ago [-]
nVidia employees being honey potted by Jensen...
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Qem 23 minutes ago [-]
I think it's odd the amount of flak this guy took for relationships with adult women, while those involved with Epstein remain mosly undisturbed. If the AI bubble bursts soon, I wonder if people will try to blame Huang's extramarital affairs for it, instead of the rampant misallocation of resources.
doug_durham 12 minutes ago [-]
These weren’t random women. They were both involved in his business. One was an employee. You can never be say confidently that an employee consented. It’s the nature of the power dynamic. That’s why this is so serious.
deepfriedchokes 3 minutes ago [-]
If Jenson used his power to pressure them to consent then there is an issue. The board should ask them rather than speculate. If the issue is that no one can consent if there is an imbalance of power, then most heterosexual relationships are a problem just from sexual dimorphism, because implications.
dghlsakjg 6 minutes ago [-]
I don’t know if billionaire pedophiles raping trafficked teenagers is a better power dynamic than affairs with consenting adults that you employ.
What do I know, I’ve never done either. I would say that the pedophiles are a more serious power dynamic issue, but you are entitled to pick the other side of the issue, I guess.
Duanemclemore 21 minutes ago [-]
It would be a convenient "accountability sink" to free them from having to examine the structural causes.
comrade1234 17 minutes ago [-]
Imagine the world where the Epstein creeps and the Jensen creep could be held accountable for their actions.
Don't fuck subordinates. He did this in his company and a partner company. I'm sure we've all had the opportunity- just don't.
happytoexplain 12 minutes ago [-]
>I'm sure we've all had the opportunity
Not to derail your point, but, huh?
differentView 6 minutes ago [-]
Speak for yourself. Most of us uggos never had the opportunity.
aaron695 8 minutes ago [-]
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comrade1234 21 minutes ago [-]
Why? Seriously why would you take part in this? This shows bad judgement.
kats 19 minutes ago [-]
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differentView 4 minutes ago [-]
Why do people support Trump or Clinton? Cheating just isn't a big deal for most people who aren't being cheated on.
bigyabai 1 minutes ago [-]
Some people still trust his leadership. Apparently they haven't seen anything that shakes their faith.
Which, given what we know so far, makes sense. Jensen's mistakes didn't jeopardize Nvidia's intellectual property, or lower sales overall. The business has no succession plan, has been led by Jensen for decades, and is riding a wave of ludicrous investments that have made the stock value soar. Many employees are probably afraid of losing a strong leader for something as nebulous as sanctions evasion.
What I've seen is 20% Jensen's fault (which he apparently owns up to), 30% the board's mistake for being so shortsighted, and 50% the governments fault for trusting Howard "Epstein's Next-door Neighbor" Lutnick with a role like Secretary of Commerce. If this entire hubbub is actually about sanctions evasion, then Jensen should be punished proportional to his failures instead of being turned into a useless scapegoat.
They've also taken a pretty big pay cut this week and potentially into the future.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/former-nvidia-ceo-huang-h...
Confused on whether people are actually upset about both or even understand the issue, or are just upset about one thing while using the other as ammunition.
Its not the only way to support his ousting. But its one way.
I think if it was one affair, this would hold. It is allegedly 3 and counting, and includes a likely spy from a rival nation, and likely knowledge of selling to the rival nation despite the current laws.
You can think he is amazing at many parts of this job, but at this point it is less of a mistake, and more a pattern of behavior that he knew was hugely risky and decided to cover up.
This is a terrible time for Nvidia employees. But the solution is not to invite the cause of the terrible time back in.
You could have the exact same situation with a different company/CEO and the HN comments would be completely different
He isn't being punished for "banging" anyone he's being punished because it hurts "US competitiveness" to send chips to China via the export smuggling operation that spy he was "banging" operates. It would not surprise anyone to found out he broke several federal laws. That's the point, no one actually cares about his sex life.
The guy was smuggling material deemed by US law to have export controls for national security reasons to the very country "US competitiveness" has been hyperventilating about for over a decade now. Resigning is the least of his concerns he will have to worry about being prosecuted for years to come.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/dispatches/beyond-the-spy-sc...
“In facilities across the region, Megaspeed rents Nvidia chips to Chinese tech giants such as Alibaba, an arrangement that does not violate current US export control regulations.”
If Alibaba is allowed to remotely access Nvidia hardware physically located in Singapore, what purpose does the export control serve?
Also, it has not been established that any export control laws have been violated.
The board and Jensen himself probably don't want to test that in court, so they preemptively step down so the prosecutors would rather not pursue.
What do I know, I’ve never done either. I would say that the pedophiles are a more serious power dynamic issue, but you are entitled to pick the other side of the issue, I guess.
Don't fuck subordinates. He did this in his company and a partner company. I'm sure we've all had the opportunity- just don't.
Not to derail your point, but, huh?
Which, given what we know so far, makes sense. Jensen's mistakes didn't jeopardize Nvidia's intellectual property, or lower sales overall. The business has no succession plan, has been led by Jensen for decades, and is riding a wave of ludicrous investments that have made the stock value soar. Many employees are probably afraid of losing a strong leader for something as nebulous as sanctions evasion.
What I've seen is 20% Jensen's fault (which he apparently owns up to), 30% the board's mistake for being so shortsighted, and 50% the governments fault for trusting Howard "Epstein's Next-door Neighbor" Lutnick with a role like Secretary of Commerce. If this entire hubbub is actually about sanctions evasion, then Jensen should be punished proportional to his failures instead of being turned into a useless scapegoat.